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Post by Jasmine Krisp on Jan 15, 2012 23:45:54 GMT -5
Some of you know where this is coming from, but I was told to put this up here to make it (semi) official. :3
We all know and love Wonderland and all it's insanemadlooneydarling inhabitants, but we've hit a bit of a dead zone. Perhaps all we need is a jump, and a bit of a scenery change, so we can delve into the history and (crazy) plot that is Wonderland's workings. I assume those still here will have ideas and I know of one possible plot to go on from youknowwhoyouare so let's make this all official! Do we want to move on from the Palace? Shall we venture forth?
Also, for those daring to comment, should we edit the current site or make another? o.O Just putting that out there. :3 Have fun!
**Edit: Hahahah, polls, y u no work. D: Just post.
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Post by Kyle Roberts on Jan 15, 2012 23:48:13 GMT -5
12. That is all
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Post by Kristopher Roberts on Jan 15, 2012 23:59:25 GMT -5
Well, if a time jump did happen...it might open things up more---and more places. I also have two people that are willing to make Boogie Elders.
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Post by Naelona Ezel on Jan 16, 2012 5:50:12 GMT -5
Good god.. I really can't muse around any of you anymore.
For the record - those musings were not intended to become any canonized site-wide thing. Not to sound callous - I'm just throwing that out there.
2nd thing I'd like to point out - that while the original LW site was intended to be very slave-focused and not so much boogie-focused, it might turn much more boogie focused as we'd have a number of characters still around, and very few of the human characters still around - if any. Could shift the overall site perspective.
3rdly - if this is done - updated histories of characters should be done. Or at least something *somewhere* as.. I can tell you right off I'd have a lot to say about Nae, Miriam, and possibly have to plot some to figure out their fates for over a span of xx-many years.
@new people - I wouldn't say slipping right into an Elder-y role would be easy to do.. @_@ Idk how familiar your two friends are/aren't with LW. I'd QQ if they went straight to elder then shot themselves in the foot w/weak canon from just plain being unfamiliar with the world this is set in. Maybe some info post/fleshing is in order? *pokes Otouto* I want your thoughts on this too plxxorx x.x
..I totally had more to add but its almost 5am, and I'm brain dead. More later (perhaps?) If your brains are so inclined to this shift, lets get them churning and start generating out things we need to figure out/decide. I do honestly believe this could be an interesting thing to do, however I am also rather skeptical, and hesitant the plunge headfirst into it. More laters. /fin.
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Post by Jasmine Krisp on Jan 16, 2012 10:45:01 GMT -5
It wasn't just your musings Nae-chan. I have been poking around jumps too. You just gave me oil for the fire. xD
There probably will be a shift in focus, though does it depends on where it's decided to expand. If we focus solely on the capitol then, yeah, it's going to be a Boogie-focus because there are going to be tons and tons of Boogie politics and history and the like. If this was canonized maybe we should spread it out HK-syle (for lack of a better reference) and include more Boogie cities or maybe other palace-like places where humans can get in more of a focus. Try to balance the Boogie-to-Human stories. And I'm sure a rebellion or two will spark up for those wanting to keep that storyline alive and well.
Histories getting an update...it'll be curious to see everybody's updates, including their time at the palace and what happened when they went out on their own. I'm all for updates. Goodness knows Jasmine is going to have a lot more to add just from that thread with Kazn. Jebus.
The elders finally making an appearance is kinda why I really, reeeeeeally wanna have the capitol on the list. There's so much that's been hinted to about Boogies and the Elders and I'd love to see how it all works, but I gotta agree with Nae. Whoever plays the Elders is going to need a major history lesson as well as know the canon from this site, and even the first site, as well as be uber-prepared for whatever law and order they have in the story. So we probably should interrogate these new people before handing them such an important role.
Gah, waking up at 10 after going to sleep at close to one.....bad idea... /dies
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Post by Kristopher Roberts on Jan 16, 2012 23:11:13 GMT -5
I didnt mean to step on toes, sorry Nae. Im just not sure what to do....so...yeah...
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Post by Naelona Ezel on Jan 16, 2012 23:53:59 GMT -5
No toes stepped on, don't worry about that. I was very grouchy that night and overly blunt. I stated things as I stated them, not to take any shots at anyone.
So - I keep seeing lurkers.. *pokes lurkers*
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Post by Luther Verhulst on Jan 17, 2012 0:15:35 GMT -5
Oh boy, you people started actually talking about it. Hoo dear. Well, I guess I have a lot of thoughts about the whole thing and the lot of you are going to be carpet bombed with my ideas if I bother writing down every little thing down here, so I guess I'll put down a tl;dr for you or something. Also, fair warning: this is going to come off less as me suggesting things and more me mandating how this should be done. I'm a b!@#$ like that.
tl;dr: There will be too long; didn't read notations.
I am all for just letting it die, honestly. The issue is membership--we need more interest than just 3-4 people willing and ready to post. If you can't get the numbers and activity up, nothing else you do is going to help it. It is not me being a doomsayer, but a realist. If you tell me that you have some solid recruitment going on, then I am willing to consider the possibility of it reviving. It's stagnated, and it's just going to stagnate again if you don't fix it first.
tl;dr: Needs more members or not interested.
I'm against time skips--really, really hard against time skips. It's a really bad way to try and stir things up under a really bad pretense. No. Just, no. Also, the way Wonderland works is very, very odd. It's sort of frozen in a singular era in Wonderland, but the world outside is still moving. I don't want to even bother trying to account for all those variables. If you're going to try and stir things up, do a hard reset. You were going to have to rewrite profiles anyways, you might as well scrap the character and build them back up from scratch. You have a little more systems mastery and you know how things work and you know other people so you might be able to interconnect stories a little more if you like. Same pieces, different board, different game.
tl;dr: TIMESKIP BAD! Hard reset instead.
Slaves vs. Boogies. The roleplay gradually shifted away from it's original intent because we made Boogies so much more interesting to play. We lost sight of the rebellion plot as people continued to make more and more Boogies. If you want a slave-centric RP, it's going to be hard to do it without putting a 'soft cap' on how many Boogies someone can play. It's better if you let people play what they want/what they're good at, but it's a necessity for the plot. Soft cap would be something like 1 Boogie minimum, maximum equal to however many ACTIVE slaves you play. There's a lot more details about what needs to happen if you want to keep the RP slave-centric--inactive Boogies get their slaves taken from them (as the system originally intended so far as I can tell). This keeps humans from stagnating because they don't have a master. It's really quite simple. I don't know why I have to explain this to you people.
tl;dr: If you want a slave-centric RP, go back and read the previous paragraph you lazy-ass b-tard. If not, skip it.
Though it sounds like you're all a little more interested in a Boogie-centric RP. I'm actually also against this, just philosophically, because it essentially removes the air of mystery around the Boogies. They aren't scary anymore. It's not going to be a horror RP or a slave RP, it is going to be us all RPing politics. No offense, but real life politics are pretty boring and RP politics would not really be much better. It makes the RP inaccessible to new people because they suddenly have this giant burden of information when they start--all these little things that they can screw up on and whatnot. It's the same argument for why newbies shouldn't be allowed to play an Elder right out of the box (at least, not an Elder that anyone takes seriously).
tl;dr: If you want a Boogie-centric RP, then you're kidding yourself. Seriously.
I am willing to talk things out a little bit more here, but I think this post is nightmarishly long enough without me saying anything more. I tried to be brief, but that was a fail.
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Post by Jasmine Krisp on Jan 24, 2012 14:54:25 GMT -5
Oniichan, that was a fail. I think your humongous/nightmarish long post has frightened everybody away.
(Kidding. Or am I?)
So after reading the whole post (and yes, the WHOLE postI dislike cliff-notes) I'm going to say a hardcore reset sounds fine to me as much as the time-skip does. We do seem to be missing a fair bit of the original cast though, sadly, so we'd have to be ready for some major changes in the storyline and not try to beeline right for the point we're at now. Lots of relationships would be different, maybe some Boogies now might get dropped (I'm sorry, but if we do do a reset I'm going to drop Corvus) for the one-Boogie minimum, and that also means history-rewrites/edits to fit for missing characters. Regardless it will take a lot of behind-the-scenes chatting with people directly linked with your character.
As for member count, I know some RPs and people on said RPs (as well as two that have been off RPs for a while and have told me they're interested in joining something again) and can advertise there so we can get fresh blood. I don't know how well it will go but we had plenty of members before and as long as the site is up-to-date and fresh we should be fine. That being said, if our two admins find themselves overwhelmed, maybe we should vote on getting another person on the staff to help ease the burden.
tl;dr: Start posting here more so we can get brainstorms up, otherwise we might as well let poor LW die.
Cause I can.
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Post by Naelona Ezel on Jan 24, 2012 15:12:05 GMT -5
Just a thought I just had reading here @ work. If there was a hard reset. Possibly just reset to an entirely different location in LW. That way a lot of land/how stuff works that we've thought up already (social, money system, vague LW history) can stay while switching to an entirely new cast. Bah, typing on a phone is so damn slow x.x I can elaborate more later. Break time almost over already. x.o
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Post by Jasmine Krisp on Jan 24, 2012 15:22:52 GMT -5
I don't know how you do it, Nae. My thumbs die whenever I do this.
A whole new cast/location? Hmmm...
**Updating this with some other ideas (since some people seem too shy to post here on their ownglare at danna), if we do change location, maybe we can make it an island. Just throwing that out there. In a dayquil-induced brain-bubble.
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Post by Doctor Nationis on Jan 26, 2012 12:28:35 GMT -5
Hear ye, hear ye, friends.
I am a supporter of this. All of it. Time skip, hard reset, even death, if it has to come to that. I've been under the impression that LW has died long ago so I haven't bothered checking in. This talk of revival though does give me hopes. My preferred order of business would be hard reset, time skip and then death. Sir Types-A-Lot has a point with the amount of information we'd have to fill in and come up with due to the different flows of time and such. It would be possible, but very confusing.
As for new people, I think the system we had, even if it were written down (though I'm sure a certain member who keeps profiles of everyone he meets has) would be difficult to follow. Perhaps if we are serious about this we should bump up the setting of the site to intermediate? Set a minimum word count and all that jazz. Having an open, user friendly site is nice and all, but I think those that are not scared away by a 300 word count or so would be much more likely to stick around to see where a storyline would take them as opposed to an RPer who just wants a badass character to run around.
A note I'd like to make about the change of cast: I think that when people first see that it makes them sad they would lose certain, nonchalant, bare footed, British, happy-yet-terribly-depressed old timers they dearly enjoy. This hard reset could possibly be an alternate universe. It could be such a way as to not deny certain major events that could have spread outside of the palace, like the Ball and rioting that occurred. It would allow wiggle room for those of us who would like to keep characters by finding some excuse for them to move out of the palace for x reason after y event or something.
Boogies need a cap for sure. I would go far as to say a hard cap of 2 unless you meet criteria and permission from an admin/mod. The requirements wouldn't need to be fierce, but the addition of getting a staff member involved will make the process of adding more boogies slower and not outnumber the humans as quickly. Just an idea.
Boogie elders would be... interesting. I've heard much talk about them, but not really what they do. Surely there isn't a bunch of really, really old Nae's running around? Noobs can't be elders. I agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly. It's partially because of the history, partially because of the risk of bad characters... but also, I think that someone who has more experience with this just outranks them by miles.
Do it to it.
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